Sunshine Sachs has been dropped by Meghan and Harry!

Radar just confirmed it with the firm

Radar is saying it happened after the Queen's death, so in the last week. Seems like strange timing. What could have happened? Did SS finally tell them "No" on something and activate a Narc Rage response?

"Sunshine Sachs"?? What a ridiculous name

OK Magazine is confirming the reports

R3 What an odd caption. Is OK magazine trying to imply that the PR firm was the reason Harry and Meghan left royal life in the first place? That's some crazy spin right there. Completely absurd.

Tom Bower's book details how Sunshine Sachs orchestrated elements of Megxit, r4.

I wonder if Harry is negotiating a return back for himself and the kids (Meghan too if she doesn't want a divorce) and dumping the PR was one of the first steps of the deal. I'm really, really curious if the children have been quietly brought to London.

Couple of retards that don't even need a pr firm if they truly desired a life out of the spotlight. Phony fucks

R5 Maybe so, but the ultimate decision to go or stay belonged to Meghan and Harry. Sunshine Sachs worked for them, not the other way around.

I thought something was up when Oprah distanced herself from their interview a few days ago.

Sussexes Sack Sunshine Sachs

I imagine the SS staff are having a party to celebrate. They cannot have been easy to work with clients.

Hat tip to you, r10. I only wish I'd thought of that thread title!

Or actually did SS dump M&H?

The other SS clients didn't want to go on Meghan's podcasts.

I think that SS dumped them. M & H have been making SS look shockingly incompetent for over 2 years now.

[quote]I wonder if Harry is negotiating a return back for himself and the kids (Meghan too if she doesn't want a divorce) and dumping the PR was one of the first steps of the deal. I'm really, really curious if the children have been quietly brought to London.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Queen's death inadvertently gets them to return to the fold with everyone being forced to act pleasant.

With Charles in Charge I could see him deciding to let them have their way a bit: return to reduced Royal Duties, don't publish the book and make nice.

I think SS refused to leak what Meghan has been leaking- eg "they're absolutely baffled at being "disinvited" to the funeral reception", probably a lie that they were ever invited - and won't play this game and so they parted ways.

I'm no expert in the PR industry. When all those "pegging" stories were planted a few weeks ago while the Queen was dying, was that the PR firm, or Meg acting on her own?

It's bizarre to me that they dropped them during the Queen's mourning period, when all eyes are on them.

I suspect SS dropped THEM. They'd be insane to drop SS during all these appearances. She'd need SS to help her get clothes to choose from, styling, and to organise last minute makeup, hair.....botox.

They were fired by SS. Not the other way around. The timing makes no sense the other way around.

I think you’re on to something r16 and r18 this whole thing ab disinviting to the party; the leak ab Harry’s uniform and then those awful Getty photos of a ghoul-like Meghan getting into the shot (and looking dead into the camera) behind KC as he waited for his mother’s coffin at BP. They were the ONLY ones photographed by that photographer. I wonder if the tactics have been so outrageously insensitive that even a slimy liar like Ken Sunshine said enough’s enough. I also suspect they disobeyed their PR one too many times.

My guess would be that either H&M dropped SS because are broke and can't pay anymore, or that they are making SS look so bad right now that SS dumped them.

[quote]It's bizarre to me that they dropped them during the Queen's mourning period, when all eyes are on them.

I find it bizarre that anyone has even heard of SS.

We had reports a little while back saying that SS was only working for Meghan and not for Harry. I think that was the beginning of the end of SS. There isn’t anything in it for SS if they do not represent Harry. He's the Prince. She's just the wife.

Breaking with Sunshine Sachs is a really stupid move. The Harkles absolutely NEED professionals around them in order to save them from themselves.

PR can in the end do only so much if the "talent" they represent do not cooperate or if they are not actually talented.

PR could put Gretchen Mol on the cover of Vanity Fair, but they could not make her a movie star.

I wonder if the disastrous Cut Intv was the beginning of the end for SS. I suspect she veered off script significantly

Maybe the red haired PEASANT should start driving an Uber.

How is she going to merch what she's wearing and what flower wreath she left for the Queen without Sunshine Sucks?

Obviously since there have been 30 posts on this thread in just an hour, SOMEBODY finds this fascinating, even if you don't.

I find the whole Harkle car crash fascinating, and I admit my curiousity is DEFINITELY piqued by this development.

How are these two going to keep up all this nonstop nonsense on their own? They strike me as a couple who make loads of demands on other people and who relies on those people just to get through the average day.

They pay an entourage to make them feel important and be their friends - just like Madonna does- another huge Narc

So, are the Harkles really not going to the post funeral lunch?

If I were Charles, after the Harkle pushing, pushing, pushing for titles during this time, I would tell Harry that I (Charles) would decide after Harry's book is released and after all the RF have read it.

Then, WE (that's the Royal "WE" to you peasants) will see.

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That Scobie is a snarky little shit trying to defend the purposely misleading info he writes. Must be he is still on MM's payroll.

Maybe word from on high made a deal. Drop the PR firm, don't let that book see the light of day, keep family stories private, and maybe we will give this half and half thing a whirl.

Tacky for this "SS" I've been so sick of hearing about making the announcement NOW, but they seem to have done these two more harm than good, so why stop now I guess?

1) I'm guessing H&M were dropped by SS. Since the Queen's death, it seems people are rapidly distancing themselves from them. I think the Queen's death is the tipping point in terms of their final fall from relevancy. Public sympathy, even in the US is with the royals.

2) I don't think H&M were actually invited to the reception on Sunday. I think they got wind of it and are trying to push their way via Scobie Doo the same way they did when the Queen was dying and Meghan tried to get to Balmoral with Harry.

I've never understood those high p.r. firms.

I worked at a popular entertainment magazine in the 1990s and anytime I had a request, a high powered firm like S&S would ask me to fax my request over; hardly ever got a yes.

One time, an assistant called the magazine and asked for some copies.

I asked them to put the request in writing and fax it over.

R38 I don't think the half in & half out thing will ever be agreed to. Back when Megxit first happened, both Charles and William agreed 100% with the late Queen that you were either in our out, but no in between. Also, if there were any chance of H&M coming back into the fold, why would Charles make reference to them building their lives overseas in his first broadcast?

I think either SS dropped them, or SS advised H&M that would be best for the Sussex brand if they made nice with the royals and Megz said no.

Ss dropped them because they don’t want to fight with the rich and powerful BRF. I think Charles has decided to fight back with his own PR and SS isn’t willing to fight without a lot more money and or a more malleable client. They probably hate Meghan with a passion and are happy to be rid of her.

[quote] I wonder if Harry is negotiating a return back for himself and the kids (Meghan too if she doesn't want a divorce) and dumping the PR was one of the first steps of the deal.

[quote] With Charles in Charge I could see him deciding to let them have their way a bit: return to reduced Royal Duties, don't publish the book and make nice.

I cannot imagine anyone in the Royal family or the British public excusing/turning a blind eye to/ignoring Megs and Harry’s very public and very vicious years-long anti-BRF campaign cum blackmail. All the lies told, all the bile spewed, e.g., “The BRF is using Prince Philip’s death to stifle me/us”, and now everyone is just suppose to shrug and say “Whelp, shit happens?” Or, given that Megs and Harry are a couple of sociopaths, accept yet more excuses/lies/deflecting blame elsewhere, such as “Well, it wasn’t us, we were mis-advised by our PR people”.

Megs was the Sunshine Sachs client, not Harry. I’m betting that Sunshine Sachs could no longer run effective interference, publish enough positive PR about Megs/Harry to counteract the world-wide deluge of negative PR, so Megs sacked them for incompetence, not doing the job they were being paid for.

Megs has never wanted to live anywhere but Southern California/Los Angeles. Her goal was to return triumphant, acclaimed, feted and most of all the only star in the galaxy, all attention and focus on her. Nothing else matters to Megs. Not Harry, and certainly not her kids, except as tools for her enrichment. Harry remains the tantruming little boy pursuing a vendetta against his father and brother. So no, returning to Britain/the BRF under any capacity is most certainly not on the cards for this gruesome twosome.

I wondered about that too, R28. That interview was a fucking disaster, when I read it I knew that either her PR hadn't looked it over or they had and she rejected their advice. You don't even have to be a professional to understand that the comparison to Nelson Mandela was going to go down like a lead balloon.

It will be interesting to see how/if their PR changes now. Will they get better advice, or were they were ignoring their firm all along and all the bad moves they made were their own ideas, which they will continue?

Is this a significant development? Or is the timing significant? Or both?

Please explain.

[quote]I’m betting that Sunshine Sachs could no longer run effective interference, publish enough positive PR about Megs/Harry to counteract the world-wide deluge of negative PR, so Megs sacked them for incompetence, not doing the job they were being paid for.

This sounds about right, R44. She appears pathologically unable to admit even the tiniest fault or mistake, and it's exactly this type who a)ignore good advice and then b)fire/scapegoat the advice-givers.

R43 is correct. S&S won’t move against King Charles and the Palace if Charles has elected to invoke a less restrained strategy against Meghan’s claims. The sunk cost fallacy applied not only to Markle but also S&S in this scenario and it looks like S&S are finally cutting their reputational losses.

I can only imagine how happy Sunshine Sachs is to be rid of them - especially her. They seem like absolute nightmare clients.

Having said that, how is SS going to regain their previous reputation within the PR world? They've looked like the most incompetent fools in the entire PR world for over two years now - just one bone-headed, thudding error after another, after another, after another.

If I had the money and the need of PR services, their performance with the Harkles would shunt them directly to the bottom of my list, and I can't be the only person who now looks at them that way.

So, what? She wanted to ramp up the PR during the mourning period, SS advised against it, she dumped them and is now making Scobie release all her fake news so that he's beginning to look like a bigger idiot day after day?

I think Omid Tussaud is now Cosplaying as a budget PR “Firm”.

There is absolutely no way that this pair of clowns would be welcomed back into the family as working royals. I don’t believe that William will ever forgive Meghan for the Oprah interview. Meghan trashed his wife and branded them as racists, that will never be forgotten. I bet that all of the family are counting the days until they fuck off back to their shallow and tacky life overseas.

There really is absolutely no way back for them.

The family cannot even trust, when they spend any time with them, that there will not be leaks/lies told to the press by the Harkles about said meeting.

That alone means there is absolutely no way back.

I'm looking forward to the day that Omid is dumped or irrelevant to the Sussexes and has to scrape around to find other work - god knows he won't get any work as a royal reporter after his contribution to this mess.

The deep fat fryer at McDonald's is calling.

I am thrilled to announce I have a brand-new PR job representing new clients!!

Who fired the other doesn't matter at this point. H and M have been doing well on this visit, and for this to come out now? If the Sachs people really insisted to have an announcement made at such a touchy time, that is ugly, and not the sort of PR firm I would ever want to be a part of. They have many other clients (though you wouldn't know from here.)

I truly suspect pissy palace "insiders" and classic, though tedious, palace intrigue for churning foment in order to keep them literally warm at night. Don't forget, those who keep those palace jobs sit pretty. Those who were sacked at such a ruthless time, among much of Britain is facing an, almost inconceivably expensive winter for both heating and food. I find these invitations/unvitations/possible reinvitations very "LOOK OVER AT THOSE TRAITORS! (eyeroll) and gives them totally unrelated effigies to bat at in their anger.

Distraction. best friend to magicians, politicians,and royalty.

And that's just for starters...

There is absolutely no way the BRF is trying to get more attention on the Markles. H&M called them racists. That would be like Andrew telling everyone to look at the Virginia so they'd be reminded how horrible she was for accusing him of rape. Granted, Andrew just might be stupid enough to do that but the palace PR isn't and their dream scenario is for the Markles to shut up and disappear.

R57. You’re saying that the palace insiders made up the story of the SS relationship ending and it will be proved false in the coming days? Really?

What has yet to be revealed is just what a royal (pun intended) pain in the ass Harry has been from the get-go, how the Queen and the media have colluded in presenting and preserving the "Harry myth", and how Harry continues to be a never-ending detriment to the Crown. One can only hope that someone will take the time to investigate/write an expose, much like DL fave Lady Colin Campbell's books about Harry's mum.

R59 clearly can’t read or is very flexible to be able to be confused by so straight forward a comment.

What I find strange is how some of the public seems more interested in this feud continuing than the involved parties; I’ve always thought the issue wasn’t the BRF themselves but the grey suits that have fomented this drama and the press picked up on it because it’s a money maker.

The public has been played.

What drugs is r57 taking? I want some!

That post is seriously divorced from reality.

R59 No, I am saying that with all of the horrible mess Britain is in, the Grey Men need scapegoats, especially while they teach Charles how to hold a pen and not to throw his bottle out of the pram when he gets it wrong. So who better than Harry and Meghan?

So much is manufactured or dramatized on BOTH sides, as is tradition in the BRF. So much time is spent cunting on that person or persons you don't like, or jealous of. It is disgusting considering how privileged they are. Go take the time cunting about totally unrelatable shit and go do something positive for your subjects, who pay for your "presence and guidance". (while you still have them(

Sorry, I forgot to hit my "name" R63 is me.

I know, who the fuck cares?

After watching all her hijinx, my best bet is this is the result of a tantrum and she leaked it to get them back (for criticizing her or not being willing to do what she asked in the last week, whatever ghastly thing that might have been.)

"Well, I'll show them - and I'll leak it, so ha ha ha!! I got you!"

I think Sunshine Sachs is a classy enough company to not choose this time of mourning before the Queen's funeral to drop a "bombshell" about these two idiots - as others have said upthread, what would that do for SS reputation? Sheesh.

But it sounds exactly like something this childish idiot would do. Well, both of these childish idiots. For a long time, I tried to believe it was mostly her fault - well, the worst of the evil-doings, because he was smitten and love-bombed, etc., but the more I hear about what a mess he's been and the BRF have scrambled to cover up for him -- anyway, I should have believed my own eyes with the pix of him dressed up in Hitler's deathsquad uniform or whatever it was. Pot and kettle got together. (I still don't think they'll stay together though, but really, who cares?)

R63

According to you, Harry and Meghan going to Oprah, Ellen, CUT, Spotify, Netflix, Dax Shepard, James Cordon, Apple TV aren't the ones airing dirty laundry for an agenda, but shadowy unnamed grey men at the palace?

R61. Unfortunately true you we all can read. You said the story originated qu’tu the palace staff.

He was dressed as Rommel the Desert Rat.

For the people in the back. I am saying that with this latest batch of BRF cunts now "in charge" there are no rules. Literal shopping bags of money? Underage honey? You see my meaning? You have the King throwing fits on camera over fucking pens for crying out loud, when his subjects are insecure at best where their next meal is going to come from, or how to heat their house. So while his OWN PR gives him some loooooong awaited lessons, someone has to take the fall. There always has to be the scapegoat(s) in any family situation, and so, here we are again, just when it was looking better.

R68 Harry was wearing a Nazi swastika armband. Which he probably inherited from one of his grandpa's brothers-in-law.

Ah, a ginger rat - quite a propos.

[quote] when his subjects are insecure at best where their next meal is going to come from, or how to heat their house.

[quote] someone has to take the fall. There always has to be the scapegoat(s)

R69 You mean like you've just done?

R69. Okay. So the story is untrue? Or it is true and Meghan chose to confide the news to the royal family? Or SS confided it to the royal family? And the termination does reflect badly on Harry and Meghan?

R69

I see. You're saying at the height of goodwill for the BRF, during this national mourning for TQs death, the palace thinks they need to scapegoat H&M, once again reminding the world of the family rifts, accusations, and comparisons to Andrew.

And that there's no one else during this height of goodwill for the BRF who could possibly want to remind the public that the BRF is fighting with their biracial daughter-in-law and have a rapist in the family? That it's the BRF who wants this, because right now they could really use some public support beyond a 24 hr long queue and the praise and visits from international leaders.

Makes total sense.

Things were looking better, R69? With all the hissy-fitting about wearing a uniform being the most important thing about the Queen's funeral arrangement? About HRH being extreeeemly important, right at the moment, right NOW!!!!! Never mind what's just happened - the Queen dying and Charles struggling to get through week 1 and all the ridiculous amount of duties amidst his grief.... no no no - we've got to talk about MY uniform and MY kids' titles. It's all about Harry and Meghan of course, everything, every day, every minute.

I don’t agree with people saying the Palace and the Royal Family wants the Sussexes to disappear.

Charles presents himself as a loving father and unifying King by allowing Harry to wear his uniform at the Vigil, by asking them to greet the crowds at Windsor, by having William interact with Meghan in front of the flowers.

It’s less about punishing the Sussexes, which is what the tabloids what you want to believe, but about shoring up Charles (and William and George) as the kind of leader of his smaller, modernised, Scanda-style Royal family who will flourish for years.

Radar Online is the place that said Kate was inheriting all the jewels, right? I'm not saying this isn't true, but I AM saying that they are not the most trustworthy news source.

If they said William would inherit her personal jewellery collection it would make more sense.

The wording of the Radar piece implies their source is tumblr.

[Quote]If they said William would inherit her personal jewellery collection...

I knew it.

[quote]Tacky for this "SS" I've been so sick of hearing about making the announcement NOW, but they seem to have done these two more harm than good, so why stop now I guess?

Sunshine Sachs is terrible. They're just an awful PR firm all around.

We don't know when SSachs was dropped by Harry and Meghan. It's possible that it happened before the Queen died, especially in the wake of that recent interview. What PR firm lets their celebrity client walk into something like that? A LOT of celebrities are weird and nutty and need people to manage their image publicly, yet SSachs couldn't do it.

They were so bad at their job that I can see them having asked for really inappropriate publicity stunts and the Sussexes deciding enough was enough, especially since -- despite what a lot of people on here have been claiming -- they seem to be trying their best to behave and get along and work within the rules.

I know this is the least popular opinion on these threads, but I don't think Harry and Meghan are particularly smart, but I also don't think either one of them are malicious or evil, either. Clueless and inexperienced sometimes. Meghan is a walking bundle of anxiety and she has trouble navigating social situations. I can see them agreeing to what a high-powered firm with no experience working with royalty suggests, without thinking it through.

I don't think they are evil either. But their narcissism makes them toxic. And Meghan knows the PR game. She was raised in Hollywood by a father who was in the business. And Harry knows the BRF neither one are ingenues. They have an agenda.

There’s a very simple explanation: Harry and Meghan weren’t paying their bills! They were dropped because they have no money.

As my 106 year old granny says: cash, ass or grass. Nobody rides for free.

So freakin’ what?

Contracts expire.

SS cost top dollar.

Perhaps they can no longer afford them.

These firms charge millions per year. Why pay them, if you are no longer contractually able to do so, and you’re considering alternatives?

Also, what if they’re not happy with results?

One does have the option to reevaluate and either continue a business relationship, or move on.

Again, not a popular opinion on here, but no, I don't think Meghan knows the PR game, because if she did, she wouldn't suck so bad at it.

Being exposed to PR and having your own PR agency when you're a D-list celebrity doesn't mean you have any aptitude at all for PR at the level of the BRF.

Don't tell me Meghan is an expert at PR when she walked right into that disaster of an interview with The Cut.

Doubt SS fired them.

When the recent NY mag piece was a disaster, I suspect Meghan needed someone to blame.

Harry and Meghan don’t have money because you say so…is that what you’re saying, R83?

If the parting of ways is true, there’s a reason and it likely doesn’t have to do with money. No matter how much you wish it to be so, the Sussex great-grandchildren will never hurt for money.

The only ones worried about keeping the money train going is the press. The harm it causes to real people is irrelevant when they can make bags of money from clicks with bare-bones reporting.

Again, the public is being played. Good PR will clean up every and any mess. If Charles III decides the Sussexes will be brought back into the fold, it will happen and the media will relent and spin a different tale and latch onto some other whipping boy/girl.

Remember the PR/image makeover done for Camilla: she’s accepted now and few would dare speak against her with the Palace machine firmly behind her. They don’t care if you like/love or cape for them online: we don’t matter to the BRF as long as too much shine isn’t taken off them and the media makes enough to leave the nastier stuff hidden.

Perhaps Harry asked the bank of Daddy for some cash and was required to hand over a breakdown of all their costs?

Oh, cut the bullshit, R88.

They have ALL had their hands out at the Bank of Mummy/Daddy for years, save the now Charles III.

William is just now earning money to take care of his family on his own and Harry has been at it for a couple of years now.

The UK gossip site Popbitch loves that kind of PR agency drama. I am sure they will share some insights in their next newsletter (which they send out every Thursday, but they also have a VIP service where paying members get an extra newsletter each week).

[Quote]Prince Harry and Meghan Markle have severed ties with their United States PR firm Sunshine Sachs confirming "we no longer work" with the exiled royals.

[Quote]Sunshine Sachs' comment comes after an anonymous source claimed the unpopular Duke and Duchess of Sussex are "no longer" with the firm, adding that the "intel is solid!"

From OK magazine linked above. I didn't believe it but it does say "confirmed".

Who in his right mind would employ a PR company with the name Sunshine Sachs?

It's sounds so fucking cheesy and dubious.

[quote]Don't tell me Meghan is an expert at PR when she walked right into that disaster of an interview with The Cut.

Everyone quotes her shocking Nelson Mandela comment from that interview as a major faux pax...and of course it was. But the thing that made me gasp (and guffaw) the most was when she said little girls all over the world look up to her as a "real life princess".

It's because of the founders' names, Ken Sunshine and Shawn Sachs.

They're actually Sunshine Sachs Morgan & Lylis now, as of a few months ago.

Someone has a last name of "Sunshine"?

I think it's a Yiddish (Jewish) surname, R95. It just so happens that the Yiddish for 'sunshine' sounds similar to the English word, hence why it was easily anglicized into this unusual last name.

This American-Israeli journalist has the same name but her family appears to have retained a spelling that was used by their Eastern European ancestors.

R9 how did Oprah distance herself? Do you have a link?

R99 Thank you! Now that's ridiculous. The whole setting, every question and every answer are carefully crafted. But it's apparent that she doesn't want to be too closely associated there.

Gayle King asking the Royal reporter why it was "necessary" to make William The Prince of Wales cements my dislike of her. Why doesn't Gayle ask Meghan is it really "necessary" to use her Duchess title in the U.S. where it means diddly squat.

[quote] I think it's a Yiddish (Jewish) surname

R96 It's German in origin, a loan word to Yiddish. There are a variety of spellings, depending on the language used; Sonnenschein, Zonenszein. The Yiddish זונשיין (Zunshayn) is a transliteration of the German. Sunshine is the translation of Sonnenschein into English.

^ I don't know how you're distinguishing Yiddish words that are Germanic in origin (as it's a Germanic language) and developed in parallel to German words *from* Yiddish words that are simply loanwords/transliterations from German, but okay.

R103 Yiddish is NOT a Germanic language. Yiddish is based in Hebrew, the language of the Jewish nation. Loan words were adopted from the various nations that the Jews sojourned in during the dispersion.

Oh, it's you, Mr. Anscher!

How could Yiddish be based in Hebrew, when Hebrew was a dead (unspoken) language until it was recently resurrected for use in the state of Israel?

Shusshexshes Shack Shunshine Shacksh.

R106 Because it was never dead. Rabbinic responsa were written in Hebrew. Books about Jewish law and custom were written in Hebrew. Jews spoke Hebrew as a common language throughout the Jewish world. Hebrew remained the language of study of Jewish law and commentaries. What was eventually lost was a familiarity of language nuance due to the adoption of many loan words from other languages. Which led to monumental mistranslation and misunderstandings of the Jewish Bible. But that's another story for another time.

Well, THIS thread has taken a strange turn...

Hebrew was never dead. Jewish prayers were always recited in Hebrew.

Just because Hebrew was used in Jewish liturgy doesn’t mean it was still a “living” language. Latin was used in Catholic Mass until the 1960s but Latin was still dead, dead, dead.

Plus, Yiddish doesn’t come from Hebrew ffs, it’s a Germanic language.

These frau threads always go off the rails lol

Start a different thread pls for Yiddish Hebrew blah blah blah Thx!

[quote] But their narcissism makes them toxic.

How could she be more toxic than Harvey Weinstein? I assume he is still a client.

[quote] Just because Hebrew was used in Jewish liturgy doesn’t mean it was still a “living” language.

R111 It was a living language to Jews who read it, wrote it, learned in it, prayed in it, corresponded in it and spoke it.

[quote] Yiddish doesn’t come from Hebrew ffs, it’s a Germanic language.

No, it is not a Germanic language. It is Hebrew based with loan words from German, Polish, Russian, Lithuanian and Hungarian. Yiddish is written in Hebrew characters.

Oy gevalt! Leave it to Datalounge to veer off into the obscure tangent imaginable.

It's a favorite sport at DL: Derailing a thread.

I agree R117. It's one of the reasons I've hung around for 21 years at this place. I'm always delighted at these turns and the randomness of where the derailment leads.

I’m with R38, if only because of the timing. Makes sense.

Were the Harkles bad PR for Sunshine Sachs? That would be ironic. Be interesting to see how the pr firm itself will spin this.

Maybe Meghan and Harry, seeing the huge outpouring of public support for the monarchy, decided on a quick course correction.

R38, I don’t think he can just drop the book deal. They’ll sue the hell out of him for breach of contract. Some kind of back room deal was probably made though and I think they dropped the pr company, not the other way around.

R24, as per the Page six story, they do work with Harry and they were still on his contact page.

They can’t stop publication of their book.

I for one, am waiting for Megan's jumping couch moment.

I'm sure SS dumped them. The extraordinary outpouring of grief for the Queen and the Royal family, all the praise being lavished on the Queen by heads of state the world over, all the saturation news coverage of the event must have been shocking to SS. SS had looked back on the extravaganza of Diana's death and figured Harry and the Wife would have inherited all that goodwill and must have been shocked by this reaction. No doubt Meghan was stirring it up trying to score some publicity hits and SS decided they'd backed the wrong horse. In particular, a woman who hugged and lavished praise on Meghan at her Windsor walkabout turned out to be a Harkle staffer who had pulled the same stunt in Dusseldorf trying to make it look like Meghan was beloved. Embarrassing.

Be interesting to see if Meghan's fanclub Sussex Squad on Twitter disappears. A majority of it appeared to be run as a troll farm by her publicists, trying constantly to get Meghan trending on Twitter. Meghan was supposed to get some honor from Variety as a Powerful Woman. They included her along with Malala, Hillary Clinton, Oprah. Which seemed ridiculous as Meghan's only power is as a golddigger, not a notably "feminist" profession.

R53 said " I bet that all of the family are counting the days until they fuck off back to their shallow and tacky life overseas." May I add "shallow, tacky, and purposeless life overeseas." The problem with the Sussexes is that they have no purpose. Harry needed a strategy to get out of Dodge and Meghan needed a way to advance her pursuit of fame. Other than that, their lives have no purpose.

R126 It’s true, Harry in particular needs to focus on some thing he really cares about, which I guess could be Invictus. Meghan needs to just do lifestyle stuff. Drop the humanitarian and political pursuits, too fraught. Free advice from me.

There is some weapons-grade crazy on these threads.

It's so curious that someone will post something on one Harry & Meghan thread, and then another account will post the exact same thing on another thread. How odd. Whatever could that mean etc. etc.

[quote]I find the whole Harkle car crash fascinating

It's more like this:

Harry needs to concentrate on building popularity for polo in the US. That's one thing he's actually interested in. And Meghan needs to talk to QVC.

It the book deal suddenly gets dropped then you know Charles probably paid the publisher a tidy sum to get Harry out of it or at least tone it down. These people are all shady, all of them.

I said when the Queen first passed that this would be the way for Harry to get back in if he wanted. Helping his father, sense of duty, honoring his beloved grandmother etc... I wouldn’t be surprised. Charles is a pushover. I will never forget reading that he refused to discipline Harry after he wore the Nazi uniform, despite calls for at least sensitivity training. Charles always got the side eye from after that. The man didn’t even care about optics.

[quote] There is absolutely no way that this pair of clowns would be welcomed back into the family as working royals. I don’t believe that William will ever forgive Meghan for the Oprah interview. Meghan trashed his wife and branded them as racists, that will never be forgotten

Wasn’t Harry the source of the William cheated on Kate gossip?

I find it so interesting that palace intrigue is alive and well here in the 21st century. The stakes may not be quite as high-everyone gets to keep their heads- but it’s a tough thing to have to navigate. I do not pity Meghan or Harry, but I am sure an American finding herself in such a viper’s den was a bit overwhelming.

The Guardian has to be livid with all the outpouring of love for the Queen. They hate the Royals. How very vexing for the lefties!

Meghan probably made the gossip about William up herself and then spread the gossip to her mouthpiece Scobie-Doo. William was more affected than Harry was by his parents' adultery and no doubt waited so long to propose to Kate because he didn't want them repeating history. I can see Harry fucking around on Meghan any chance he gets.

Pretty sure Harry & Megs have been borrowing against the book proceeds for a while now to fund their lifestyle, no going back now. They’ve been waiting fir the Queen to die to release it I thought?

You cunts all need to get a life and quit obsessing and fantasizing about people you don't know but thinking you do. The fact you even know what Sunshine Sachs is is weird enough.

^^ Big Marva Must. Control. DL.

Angelina Jolie apparently does her own PR. Maybe they think they can just do their own PR.

Having worked in PR-adjacent stuff, I can tell you that the client always (wrongly) blames the PR person/firm I’d they don’t like the resulting story.

And Meghan had to be furious about the recent piece by NY magazine. She won’t see that the fault lies with her, so I can imagine her telling Harry to give them a piece of his piece (as though he has much to spare).

That could have led to them firing SS or SS walking away from those nutters.

Why would KC strike a deal with them? They can't be trusted. Any agreement will be immediately disregarded as narcissists and sociopaths don't believe rules and laws apply to them. See also: Trump.

They will cash the check and then immediately proceed to leak private information before the ink is even dry on the NDA. Medusa will be weeping to Oprah that they made her sign the NDA under "duress" whilst calling her and her children the "n" word. Their jealousy is at an all time high due to William and Catherine being promoted to Prince and Princess of Wales so they will ramp up their egregious planted stories about the Wales marriage.

Kindness, forgiveness and second chances are WASTED on narcissists. WASTED.

[quote] Maybe the red haired PEASANT should start driving an Uber.

If the son of the prince of wales and a Lady is a peasant, that makes you, what, an amoeba?

You lot are truly mentally ill. I wonder what you’d be doing with your lives if you weren’t totally signed over to loathing and attacking this couple who you’ll never meet and have done you no harm.

Can't help hearing some posts spoken out loud in Harry's voice.

R125

[quote] In particular, a woman who hugged and lavished praise on Meghan at her Windsor walkabout turned out to be a Harkle staffer who had pulled the same stunt in Dusseldorf trying to make it look like Meghan was beloved.

I had heard rumblings that people were claiming that the young woman who asked M for a hug at the Windsor walkabout was "a plant" (Just when I think I've heard everything about the dastardly duo, they dig up more shit...)

Even H G Tudor has a video up about it, reaching no conclusion, but talking about how common it is to plant friendlies in the audience.

R125 - Was that same woman in Dusseldorf playing the same game? Do you have a link?

I admit that I was enjoying Kate icy non-response, I don't even see you non looks to Mrs. Sussex at the walkabout clip.

Granted my eyesight is not great, but when I saw the "fans" with MM, they didn't look the same to me. They seemed to be a foot different in height for a start. I don't find it hard that the occassional person might want to greet her, and it always seems to be her that goes in for the weird hugs. ( unless you happen to be disabled).

R144, because they probably weren’t. These theories are really Preposterous. The same people that will refute FBI files of Charles’ pedo surrogate father are most likely the ones peddling and believing this nonsense.

It wasn't in the Daily Mail but some other tabloid. They had a pic of Meghan with the blondish woman hugging in Dusseldorf and the same woman in Windsor slobbering all over Meghan. Definitely the same woman who was accompanied by the teenage girl who hugged Meghan. So either she's hired by Meghan or she is some stalker. Which I doubt.

There was a young boy at Windsor Meghan went over to shake his hand and he grabbed her and hugged her. He was obviously mentally handicapped. Meghan recoiled in horror at him grabbing her. The kid was maybe 10-11. Kate made a point afterwards at going over to the kid and hugging him and talking to him and his parents. Meghan doesn't want no retards touching her.

FWIW, the body language guy did an analysis of the planted fan and hugger of Meghan on the walkabout. He suggested Meg had a microphone in her ear directing her to the planted "fans". The ear mic would explain why she had her hair swept to the side and kept adjusting it to stay to the side. He said the plant's video of the incident was too well done to be spontaneous, it required preparation.

R147 that would explain the peculiar square shaped object she had on her hip and showing through her clothes.

Is this the clip, or is there better footage?

[quote]Yiddish is NOT a Germanic language. Yiddish is based in Hebrew, the language of the Jewish nation. Loan words were adopted from the various nations that the Jews sojourned in during the dispersion.

Um, it is a Germanic language that was heavily influenced by several Eastern European countries.

I can’t stand her, but wasn’t she invited at the last minute? How could they have organised to have plants in the line, much less someone who had just been in Düsseldorf?

The rumour was that her and her sidekick ( not at all important actual bereaved grandson), had arranged to go out and greet the plebs

Then William was instructed to phone them and arrange a foursome for damage control.

Who the fuck knows with this pair of weirdos.

Wow didn't see this one!!

No problem Soobie will do a great job. Oh, wait, he will need someone to tell him where he is & where of his new globe it can be found.

Can you imagine working for that C##t ? Oh the Horror .

From reading the article, I got the impression that Meghan didn't have a minder from SS hanging around to "faclitate" the interview. I've read celebrity interviews where the interviewer makes it clear that there's a PR person in the room who makes sure conditions are adhered to (e.g. no questions about x, y, or z) and to keep the client on a leash, so to speak.

Is it or isn't it odd that she didn't have a minder present? Especially her since she's prone to egregious declarations and lying. (Not that anyone could have corralled her special brand of crazy.) Maybe her account manager thought it would be a waste of time and resources. In a scenario like this, I can see her throwing a fit because SS "failed to protect me!"

Another question. Along the lines of "Don't quit your job until you have something else lined up. " shouldn't they have announced their new PR provider? Assuming they have one.

Weren't all those awards they kept receiving down to SS? What will they do now?

I'm more of the opinion SS dumped them. Possibly because they weren't paying their bills.

R146, I have a genuine question, so please read it as such, rather than as an attack or challenge…

How would the Meghan Stan (who is the teenager who hugged her), know that Meghan would be at the walk about with William, Kate and Harry, if the walk about was only to be an event attended by William and Kate?

According to all press, inviting Harry & Meghan was a last minute thing, so how would a 14 yo girl know this?

Yeah the whole "planted" and "same girl was in Dusseldorf" stuff is BS unless you can link to actual photo proof. And if you can't, drop it. I swear some of you are the actual KGT here to make the Meghan-skeptics look batshit.

r158, Meghan and Haz were planning their own walkabout so the paid adoring fan(s) had already been scheduled and in the vicinity. Maybe that's why they negotiated with William for 45 minutes before agreeing, so their paid plants could get revised instructions. Having her hair all pulled to one side over her shoulder supports the ear piece theory.

Can Samantha subpoena Sunshine Sachs in her lawsuit?

Interesting, R160.

Thanks for answering the question! 😊

Assistant here for a very well known elder musician. ALL of these "walkabouts" and meet and greets are planned down to the moment. They have the kid/chick/fan picked out FAR in advance to make sure they aren't crazies (there really are many). The chit-chat, the let's have a "special moment". etc. It can come off sweet, but after watching the...not so magic...happen after two decades it really is sort of sad. Then again, these "names" could also be stabbed, shot, whacked, etc.so easily, so you do have to have security ramped up to 11.

R146, well, more than one.

I think Meghan fired them in a fit of pique after seeing the turn out for TQ, pissed because they'd promised she'd make billions in America, everyone would love them, they'd have adoring crowds, attend glamorous awards shows, and be the most sought after guests in Hollywood. Instead the BRF is more popular than ever, they're jokes, they get booed, the have no crowds, Harry spoke to an empty UN room, and they have to pay to appear on covers. Nothing worked out as planned. Nothing.

Why would they fire them in the middle of all this madness? It makes no sense. I think they are going to rebrand.

R166 Does anything they do make sense or do they torpedo themselves constantly?

It makes sense if she fired them, impulsively, in the middle of a tantrum. She's kind of known for fits of anger - with the thrown tea cup, reports of staff in tears, multiple calls to police from Montecito, the bridesmaid issue, tiara-gate, etc.

Okay SS! Time to spill the tea!!

R168, police called in Montecito?

Why? What happened?

Here's a guardian article about police called nine times (2021 article) but I've seen the rumors elsewhere - don't know where to look at the moment but if you just google 'police called to montecito' you'll find more articles

It's leaking now that SS divorced Meghan, not the opposite. She hadn't paid her bills, pleading poverty till she could get Spotify to cough up some money and Spotify was refusing to give her anymore until she produced podcasts. She got paid something by Spotify, used it to pay off SS and SS said ciao, we've had enough of you.

"Why would they fire them in the middle of all this madness?"

We don't know exactly when it came to a parting of the ways, maybe it was before all the current drama started and there was just no announcement.

But I am willing to believe that Meg fired SS.... because how can she possibly have believed that she was getting her money's worth? Her plans to monetize her fame were all failures, everything she said in interviews was picked apart and mocked, she was totally failing to meet her PR goals. Why pay money for that, even if most of the failures were due to her listening to advice?

How could someone as heinous as Weinstein be considered a better client for a PR firm than MM and Dimwit? Easily if he paid his bills on time, didn't throw tantrums/question everything he was advised, and finally got on with doing as he was fucking told.

Jolie is reputed to manage her own PR, MM probably thought she could do likewise.

SS should have ditched them after Oprah's interview was revealed as a pack of lies but particularly after Dimwit criticised the US first amendment. The latter deeply offended me and I'm not even American.

Even at the One World Summit, when MM gave her speech, she mentioned criticism. It seemed to come out of nowhere.

So, Meghan must have a new PR team. A post about the "hate campaign" against her randomly hit the front page of reddit, posted by one of those accounts with high karma that gets paid to influence, a man who normally posts about football and video games and Lord of the rings, which doesn't seem like the demographic interested in the BRF. 🙄

TQ's dead, but let's make sure everyone feels pity for Meghan Markle and knows that any criticism against her is obviously false and crazy.

Sunshine Sachs is trending on twitter.

Yes, this Twitter account that refers to them has Harkles is really trustworthy. The fan fiction is really ridiculous. First they crashed the walkabout, then they had plants in the crowd in two countries, Meghan had an ear piece, and now they didn’t pay their bills. Yet, page six and the DM haven’t reported these ‘rumors’ but some anti-Meghan Twitter account is in the know. Come on people, make it make sense at least.

Is all of that stuff really unbelievable given Markel's usual swamping of vegetables, er, the RF with her "delightful " presence upon her lying as an absolute necessity.

She wilfully made herself more important than the family of the dead Monarch by imposing herself in a photo of the Queen coming home to Buckingham behind a blurry Charles. Only Charles, no other family members who squirreled themselves there for the all important "receiving" photo that gained the some all important who were there. Just the Sussex squirrel idiots to mark themselves as terrible and horrific people who demand the love, admiration and attention his former, albeit totally Borderline mother who left the with a horrific family history of good genetics.

Does anyone think that maybe Harry left England and his daily contact with his family behind because of what happened to his mother?

Well his mother died in France and it was her own fault for not wearing a seat belt and letting a drunk driver behind the wheel.

[quote]Well his mother died in France and it was her own fault for not wearing a seat belt and letting a drunk driver behind the wheel.

You sound nice.

[Quote] ... Assistant here for a very well known elder musician.[]

We found Janbot

Why would he leave Britain because of his mother? No Britons were in any way involved in her death, and anyway she'd still be alive if she had chosen to wear a seatbelt.

He left Britain because he wanted to make money off his titles, and no one in Britain was ever going to help him to do that.

[Quote] Why would he leave Britain because of his mother?

The press, tabloids specially were ruthlessness with Sarah (even calling her pork for being chubby) and with the" beloved Di". The level of arrangement was abysmal. Without internet, seems less invasive, but it wasn't, no one had more people following them in the world, waiting for them to fuck up.

They were like that with Kate at the beginning, but she is so vanilla boring, is less attractive for tabloids.

So when H&M said they wanted out, It made sense. Why tolerate all that shit if you're not going to be king? Specially because she's American and mixed race.

But then they showed their true colours, wanting all the perks without the responsibility, looking for the spotlight, not avoiding it, a princess Kardashian.

Leaving before the "spectacle" wedding that cost the UK a bomb, going to the USA as rebel royals and actually doing something like buying a trendy organic farm and generally being do gooders, would have been great for them. The revenge tour really fucked them up.

[quote]They were like that with Kate at the beginning, but she is so vanilla boring, is less attractive for tabloids.

They were like that with Kate for a LONG time. Not just the skirts blowing up but "her mother is a chav, her uncle offered us some prostitutes, Waity Katie tricked Wills into marrying her by wearing lingerie in public" and even articles that she was lazy when she was actually sick during her pregnancies.

When I would point out that the tabloid treatment of Meghan was similar to what they did to Kate, all the Meghan haters would scream that the tabs never did anything to Kate because she was perfect, and what they were doing to Meghan was deserved because she's evil incarnate.

[quote]She wilfully made herself more important than the family of the dead Monarch by imposing herself in a photo of the Queen coming home to Buckingham behind a blurry Charles.

There is no way she could have made sure she was in a spot where someone with a telephoto lens would get her in the image. You're just mad because that's evidence that the family rift isn't as bad as you hoped. You want the family to destroy their own son/brother because you don't like him and his wife, but you don't matter. The family appears to have other plans.

[quote] Why would they fire them in the middle of all this madness? It makes no sense. I think they are going to rebrand.

Well, their PR certainly has improved, so maybe it is a re-brand (or a deal for a big cash influx from Pa). There's Harry's recent statement about being fine with not wearing a uniform, and this "friend of the couple" quote in the Times: "They are very sensitive to how everything is happening and very much see the bigger picture, not just from a personal point of view but from the family’s point of view. Meghan is not afraid of throwing in a hand grenade here and there, but there are no toys being thrown out of the pram now. Their view is ‘Lets get on and do it — we’ll be where we need to be and we won’t be where we don’t need to be."

That quote is pitch perfect in acknowledging their past vitriol, while portraying them as reasonable grown-ups now and no longer bitter whingers.

[quote]How could someone as heinous as Weinstein be considered a better client for a PR firm than MM and Dimwit? Easily if he paid his bills on time, didn't throw tantrums/question everything he was advised, and finally got on with doing as he was fucking told.

This is fucking psychotic. You're actually trying to tell us that Harvey Weinstein is a better person than Meghan Markle. Get some help. I am not even joking, This is not me just insulting you, I am telling you straight up, seriously, without hyperbole, that you need to talk to a professional. This is not normal.

[Quote]So, Meghan must have a new PR team. A post about the "hate campaign" against her randomly hit the front page of reddit, posted by one of those accounts with high karma that gets paid to influence, a man who normally posts about football and video games and Lord of the rings, which doesn't seem like the demographic interested in the BRF. 🙄

It's several hours later and now there's another Meghan hate post trending on the front page of Reddit. Which is amazing because I've never once seen a Markle post on the front page, in fact I've never seen a single post about celebrity hate like this on reddit (even though there's plenty of stan wars), but now that she isn't using SS and suddenly there's two new posts in one night. Reminding people, informing people, that there's a hate campaign against Meghan with both posts highlighting the same tweet. She definitely has a new PR team and they're definitely working hard to fix her image with the general public and earn her sympathy points.

I don't think that is true actually, r189. Everyone knows Kate was treat like shit. Even making her cry to the point Pippa had to step in. Only the loony Meg fans or teens think Kate had it easy.

R192. Of course that post says nothing of the sort. The post merely says that from the point of view of a service provider getting paid versus not getting paid makes all the difference.

If they are serious about improving their image, then they need to get Scobie out of the picture like yesterday. Sunshine Sachs was no good at handling PR that involved the British royals, they just didn't have the right experience for it, and Scobie is just some influencer who is cosplaying as a biographer. All Scobie does is make things worse. I believe Scobie even got multiple quotes wrong in the book and even Meghan had to issue some corrections. I thought that would be the end of Scobie, but sadly, no.

Harry has never been good at handling palace machinations, he just doesn't have the disposition for it (which is partly why he dislikes the life so much) and Meghan isn't very good at PR, as I've said before. If the family is serious about calming all this shit down, they'll suggest a good, sympathetic, British PR firm to the couple.

Scobie started life as a hanger on to Jodie Marsh. Jodie Marsh was a wannabe Katie Price (aka Jordan ), Giant inflated lips and tits women. That is his level.

Stating the obvious, but definitely getting the vibes that the reaction to TQ's death made Meghan rethink everything about her public relations.

Nice spin R192. Read R195. Read it twice.

R192 thinks mental health is a joke and a stick to beat people with. Garbage person.

"Does anyone think that maybe Harry left England and his daily contact with his family behind because of what happened to his mother?"

Multiple factors drove him out of Britain and away from his family, starting with the fact that he hated being a "Spare". And his relationship with his father was difficult at best, even before the remarriage, and I wonder if he was ever as close to William as was believed. But seriously, I think the root of his troubles is that his mother died before he was old enough to understand anything about her, I doubt he understands how complex her personality and her relationships were, and he still believes everything she ever said about Charles being mean to her.

And BTW, I can't fault him for quitting his job as a "spare", few people thrive in the role, many waste their lives, so he had every right to his feelings about the job and every right to leave. He just doesn't have any right to be supported in luxury now that he's out.

[quote]He just doesn't have any right to be supported in luxury now that he's out.

It's not about rights and it's not your call. If his family wants to support him, they can.

If you don't like what the royal family spends their money on, ostensibly because it's "taxpayer money," then I'd fully expect you to say that you don't like the royal family supporting Andrew, especially back when he was palling around with Epstein, or any of Charles' sketchy money-generating schemes. It's odd, though, because we rarely have anyone on here mention those things.

[quote]It's odd, though, because we rarely have anyone on here mention those things.

No one talks about Andrew because there's no controversy, everyone hates him. No one wants their taxes to go towards supporting his sleazy ass. Maybe now Charles is in charge things will change. Either way, Andrew being a creepy bastard doesn't mean Harry isn't a gigantic, overgrown baby weeping about his shoulder patches whilst the nation mourns his grandmother.

R179 is psychotic.

[quote]She wilfully made herself more important than the family of the dead Monarch by imposing herself in a photo of the Queen coming home to Buckingham behind a blurry Charles

So R179 thinks that Meghan herself manipulated a photo? What's all this talk of squirrels? Scietologist? Even one proof these Markle loons are very mentally disturbed.

What Harry, Meghan, SS, Oprah, Gayle forgot is the people of the UK. The also forgot this thing called the Commonwealth filled with lots of people. The have annoyed, insulted, vilified them. They haven't forgiven or forgotten. Nor will they.

They need to stay in their own lane. Get your toe hold on that greasy ,degrading pole called American celebrity-hood. Look to the masters.. The Kartrashians. Start with that leaked Sex tape, loads more babies, shilling makeup lines, undergarments. Do that Keeping up with the Markles show, with loads of fights & dramas.

I work in the NHS, taxpayers fund my salary, I went a bit crazy and bought a raspberry trifle and a bottle of wine in M&S yesterday. Thank god the public know nothing of my deviant side.

County Sligo woman holds her tongue on Meagan Markle, not a bad word to say about anyone:

[quote] Devine stands over the remark she made to Independent.ie in March of 2021 that their controversial interview on the Oprah Winfrey Show was “utter tripe.”

[quote] She said at the time: “Meghan is now trying to put all the burdens on the royal family who welcomed her with open arms.

[quote] "The British royal family should not have to be dealing with this tripe when people are dying of Covid, which is far more important, and Prince Philip is so ill.

[quote] “When Meghan gave that appalling interview, she had already negotiated deals worth over $100m and she still has the poor mouth on her.

[quote] “Megan and Harry were not homeless when they left England. They were given free homes to live in.”

[quote] She says now, seeing Markle in the context of historical royal spongers: “The Queen was more than familiar with sponging – like King Edward 8th and Wallis Simpson.

[quote] They lived off everyone they could, but they never sold the royal family.

[quote] "The Queen stood by while her own Sister Princess Margaret cavorted with whoever she wished.

R185 I am nice. Don't get me wrong, I loved Diana, especially how she dressed. But it was stupid not to put the seat belt on when you are speeding through a tunnel. I was very sorry she died but her death was still her own fault.

No one with a brain will blame a PR agency for a rogue client that doesnt listen to advice.

It's been clear for years that Harry and Meghan know best and only want to be agreed with

R209 Well they’ve been tainted in any case.

As an eldergay who lived in the UK when Princess Di reigned supreme, the tabloids loved her, she was on the phone to Richard Kay of the Daily Mail every day. The Telegraph aka Torygraph didn't like her but that's not a tabloid. The paps harassed her but she made a point of encouraging the paps most of the time. She'd even advise them when she was going to do something to ensure she was on the cover of the tabloids.

Her big mistake was luring all the French and Italian paps to France for her vacation with Dodi. She was desperate to get attention away from Charles and Camilla and to make Dr. Khan jealous. However, she would never have died if she hadn't got into a car driven by a drunk Frenchman and refused to put on her seatbelt as the bodyguard Al Fayed had hired, asked her to. The bodyguard sitting in the front "suicide seat" survived.

[quote]police called in Montecito?

[quote]Why? What happened?

Harry trying to escape.

.. or Harry being beaten to a pulp by the little woman..

They've left their kids back in California for 3 weeks now. Supposedly, they were with their rather peculiar Granny Doria. But paps photographed Doria walking her pitbull in LA, nowhere near Montecito. Who's looking after their precious rugrats?

Megs is not maternal, and Megs runs the show for the Montecito Manque Moneygrubbers.

The kids would only get in the way since they can't be merched or used in any way during the Queen's mourning period.

".. or Harry being beaten to a pulp by the little woman.."

Or big strong Harry beating Meg to a pulp after drinking all day, or Meg screaming death threats at staffers, or Archie being a Demon Seed and lighting fires, or Ellen DeGeneres calling to yell "IS THIS THE COCKSUCKER RESIDENCE" again.

We have no idea, but some of you REALLY want the police calls to be about the small Meg beating up big strong helpless Harry.

Women can abuse men, r215. Not with their bare hands, but with any item that may be thrown.

Stop pretending otherwise.

They can't really afford Ken Sunshine, two other PR firms, paying for all those bots and so on. The Harkles just don't have the money for that.

"Women can abuse men, [R215]. Not with their bare hands, but with any item that may be thrown."

I never said they can't. R215, I merely that we have no information about those supposed police calls, and not even any proof that there actually *were* police visits to the Harkle Manor.

Which hasn't stopped some people here from forming an unshakable belief that Meg is physically abusing Harry.

This will be interesting since the Meghan hating cunts all think only SS interns post here telling them they're crazy cunts. Who will they claim calling them crazy now? Will they finally realize that a majority of gay men, all long time dlers, think they are nasty, rancid crazy, cunts?

I wonder what MeMe Markle is thinking, after having threatened that she still hadn't told everything and that she was silent but she didn't know for how long. To see this magnificent funeral and the importance of the Queen and how the British people loved her. The interview with The cut, is the worst PR nightmare that happened to her. Nothing is better than to see a narcissist lose in their spiteful games, tricks and manipulations. I’m sure she blames SS pr… it’s never her fault!

You've posted that several times, r220. Stop it.

Crazy Markle troll, why should she be thinking anything but her husband's mom died? As for the rest, I have no idea what you're babbling about. Like I said, cuckoo for cocoa puffs.

How long did SS worked with them?

They apparently worked for her before the marriage so they weren't doing much to make her famous back then. She must have been a D level client.

It's early days as they say, but I'm noticing a slight change of tone in pro-Sussex comments online. Generally speaking it's gone from "wicked evil racist royal family" to the less incendiary "poor misunderstood Sussexes can't catch a break."

I wonder if that Australian politician is right and Spotify are busy going through her upcoming episodes and cutting lots of anti-Queen shit out?

Where do you read this shit R225? I've never seen any online comments except here and that's because trolls like you export them.

R227 Twitter. It's overrun by Meghan's troll farm the Sussex Squad. They're as bad as Kamala's KHive. Maybe they ARE Kamala's KHive.

Ooops that should be import them.

R192, read my post again. There is a vast difference between being a better CLIENT to a PR FIRM and being a better person.

My point is that for a BUSINESS trying to repair a client's reputation, even a PSYCHOPATH (Weinstein) is probably easier to deal with than MM and Dumbo.

Yes, you needed all those caps. You're a total tool and a complete fucking idiot with low or non-existant powers of comprehension. Please feel free to block me after this. You don't belong here and have nothing to gain or offer

Where the fuck did I say HW is a better person? Um, nowhere. Finish your homework and get back to grade school. Moron.

211, and others: I'm intrigued by the relationship between Richard Kay and Di. He's still very handsome and I remember reading back in the day that she would dress down (wear jeans, sweater and baseball cap) and sneak away to sit with him in parked cars to brief him and chat (they may have been snapped doing this). She was also constantly calling him (they spoke on the phone the day she died)

Did she have that kind of relationship with other reporters, does anyone know?

She also smuggled him into Kensington Palace. He was her Omid Scobie. And I've always wondered if they had an affair. He was devoted to her. He has certainly remained discreet if they did. Daily Mail was Princess Diana News back in the day - and always spun positively for her. Di made the tapes for Andrew Morton but she didn't actually know him. Had she given the same into to Richard Kay, everybody would have known it was coming directly from Di.

Wow, r232, yeah I was wondering too exactly HOW close they were.

There was a complaint from Dumbo that the DM wrote a nasty article about his legal actions regarding security/IPP status. He blamed the article for all the vicious DM reader comments responding to it. Claimed the article and unfavourable comments were causing damage to his reputation.

I wonder if he knows Richard Kay was regularly leaked info from Di and how he reconciles it with his war on the UK press and distaste for freedom of speech/the press in general?

r232 There were rumours she smuggled actor Terence Stamp into Kensington Palace too...I wonder if there are others she sneaked in we know nothing about?

“That old drag queen from Priscilla” Terence Stamp? What did they have in common?

I don’t understand how Omid became so close or the mouthpiece of Meghan? How did they connect? I know he wrote that book…but now it’s beyond ridiculous

R238 he was a trashy gossip columnist for Heat, the Brit equivalent of Star. She's a trashy starlet.

Dr. Khan who remained very tight-lipped about his affair with Diana for 20 years, finally admitted she used to smuggle him into Kensington Palace under a rug. He also said he remains on friendly terms with William. He didn't mention Harry. William obviously knew of his existence at the time as Diana inappropriately discussed her love life with William. Dr. Khan had an arranged marriage with a Pakistani woman after Di's death but the marriage ended fairly quickly.

Diana was fantastic. She was the light of the British royal family. Absolutely fabulous.

Diana was a self-aggrandising distraction. The royal family has been better off without her.

Every character in the story matters.

OR... these are people. Humans. They're vulnerable, flawed, some are riveting to watch, some to watch crash and burn. Which is a shame on all of us. But they want us to watch them.

I'm sure Kate's heard that 5,000 times a day for the last 20-odd years, "Don't be a celebrity like Diana, be a PRINCESS!".

Meghan was undoubtedly told that as well, but she wasn't having it. She wanted more than anything on Earth to be a celebrity princess like Diana, and had no clue that the Firm wasn't going to let that happen again. And she never understood why nobody was helping her achieve the goals she'd set for her life as a royal.

We tend to forget Meghan only stuck it out for 18 months and did little in the way of the job she was allegedly 'hired' for. Is she going to build her lifelong career on 18 months in the royal family and the fact when she quit her job, she didn't get to keep the company car?

She's certainly gonna try, R244.

I very much doubt Kate needed to be told. She has a certain shyness and reticence that would prevent her from trying to be a celebrity. She was perfectly happy to lead the life of an anonymous housewife in Wales when William was working air ambulance. Apparently, she was bullied at her first secondary school, seriously enough for her parents to move her to another college. This is not the sort of character who seeks attention. In other words, William didn't marry his mother like his brother did.

As I was typing, it struck me that Kate's pattern of being bullied may have repeated itself in that notorious bridesmaids' fitting. Bullies smell targets. I'm inclined to think Kate cried, not Meghan. Kate's sensitivity to the staff being bullied may have hastened the process of splitting their offices. Kate's willing to take a lot for the team, but turning an eye or minimizing the situation wasn't going to happen. She got William's BDE moving.

R246 - I also think Kate being completely freezing cold to Meghan means that Meghan likely did lie about who made whom cry over the bridesmaid thing. I think that would be enough for her not bother acknowledging Meghan’s existence even when right next to each other. Meghan was the bully and then tried to get the Oprah audience to sympathize with her by lying and saying it was Kate in the wrong.

Kate came from an upwardly mobile middle-class family. Snobbism in England is still off the charts. Her parents sent her to Marlborough College which is definitely elitist if not as horribly snobbish as Benenden, Roedean or Cheltenham. She probably suffered as much bullying for being middle class as Meghan did for being half-black at her Catholic school.

Meghan did not suffer being half-black at any school in California in the mid-aughts, her self-esteem is off the charts.

If there's one thing about British culture that mystifies me is what r250 describes. It's so strange that people improving their living circumstances is looked on with suspicion or outright frowned upon. I've read stories of working class parents questioning their children's desire to seek higher education, saying something to the effect of "wasn't the kind of life we gave you good enough? One story I read that was both funny and sad was about a woman who had children enrolled in a private school. She never spoke to the other parents and was considered a snob or very upper class. It came out (don't remember how) that she had a working class accent. She was university educated and spoke perfectly grammatical Engish and had middle/upper middle class life but was embarrassed her accent and no doubt getting judged. The story may be apocryphal, but if true, wow.

Americans play these silly games too with class and status. People look for reasons, albeit superficial, to think they are better than other people. It's pathetic and reflects badly wherever it's done.

The American game is to appear to have more status than actually possessed. It's not just keeping up with the Joneses, but projecting a sense of wealth that doesn't exist. Living lavishly beyond one's means and loading the lifestyle over others.

R254 The Great Gatsby. And nothing has changed since.

In the US money is the only criterion for social advancement. In England, it's class background that counts for much more.

"I want to learn how to talk like a laydy in a flower shop."

Bump.

Not seeing much coverage of this elsewhere. Are Sachs still on the Sussex payroll?

I'm thinking SS wanted to be outta there before Low's book hit.

See the thread Sunday Times Meghan Markle Screamed at Staff..

R258- Hello is confirming it now as well